Michael Allio was a fan favorite on Katie Thurston’s recent season of “The Bachelorette,” applauded for the vulnerability he showed the literal world as he talked about losing his wife, Laura, to cancer and raising his son James without his mom. 

Losing a partner to cancer? Raising a young son on your own? Sounds familiar …

Michael came across Nora’s TED Talk shortly after Laura died, and when he reached out to the podcast, we knew we had to get these two on a call together. 

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You know how every day someone asks “how are you?” And even if you’re totally dying inside, you just say “fine,” so everyone can go about their day? This show is the opposite of that. Hosted by author (It’s Okay to Laugh (Crying Is Cool Too)) and notable widow (her words) Nora McInerny, this is a funny/sad/uncomfortable podcast about talking honestly about our pain, our awkwardness, and our humanness, which is not an actual word.